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Fowlersrs · Clubman B

Can't decide...

jt · Powermonger!!

Fowlersrs wrote:
what are gas gas bikes like, this isnt miles away:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190779441447?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Gas Gas 4T's are nowt but trouble but the 2T's seem OK - yet another tail of woe on this forum now cry the CRM in that link looks a dog and there are much better bikes about for that money....

-- Edited by jt on Sunday 6th of January 2013 05:16:43 PM

Biff · Expert

All I know is that GasGas 2 strokes from 2010 on if maintained
Well are great bikes.
Had no issues apart from initial carb setup
Wouldn't have any thing else
Anyone who says otherwise ain't rode one

-- Edited by Biff on Sunday 6th of January 2013 05:32:08 PM

jt · Powermonger!!

RichT4 wrote:
Seems to me that all the 2 stroke fan boys seems to gloss over the fact that 2 strokes vibrate like no bodies business!

So when did you last ride one and what was it, because mine is Ok, So is Kerrys and Biffs and Jacks and Doug's - and we all actually HAVE 2 strokes...and ride them all day long.. disbelief

-- Edited by jt on Sunday 6th of January 2013 08:12:18 PM

RichT4 · Champion

jt wrote:
RichT4 wrote:
Seems to me that all the 2 stroke fan boys seems to gloss over the fact that 2 strokes vibrate like no bodies business!

So when did you last ride one and what was it, because mine is Ok, So is Kerrys and Biffs and Jacks and Doug's - and we all actually HAVE 2 strokes...and ride them all day long..

-- Edited by jt on Sunday 6th of January 2013 08:12:18 PM

Wow, what an unexpected response. biggrin

Okay, I have had a quick blip down & up a local lane on Biff's GG 300 - very nice bike but the vibration through the foot pegs almost put my feet to sleep - I found it physically painful! This was only at a certain rev bracket but I could well see myself riding at those revs allot unless I was really hammering it - not something I'd do often on a 300 2 stroke.

Then there is yours JT - I've never rode it but I ask you about it at an east Devon meet and you told me that someone who'd had a ride complained to you about the vibration through the handle bars! I confess that it's not first hand experience but I tend to believe you when talking about your own bike. wink

-- Edited by RichT4 on Sunday 6th of January 2013 08:31:36 PM

russell11031967 · Devon's Best

All that matters is whatever you buy there is three key words to stop it breaking down MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE smile

-- Edited by russell11031967 on Sunday 6th of January 2013 09:46:15 PM

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

Was wondering if you guys could share your thoughts on something that's got me in two minds... I've been looking to find a reasonable green laning bike, I took a look at a 92 Honda crm250 priced at 1300! Now it's nice and cheap, as its old yes. It runs ok but most of my riding buddies are saying its too old and too heavy (steel frame), but it suits my buy it now budget. This leads me to think then bollocks to it il buy from a dealer and use a form of loan and get myself something newer, but most newer stuff is 4 stroke and my mates have told me to avoid 4 as there not simple enough and maintenance costs can add up... So what do I do, I can't find the right solution?!

Harty · Devon's Best

Get the cheaper, older bike, learn how to green lane, then get a bike that suits your riding once you've looked at other bikes, on ride outs and perhaps even tried one or two to your liking. Most guys I know will let you have a quick blast on their bikes. I doubt you'll even lose any money on the CRM anyway, 99% of 2nd hand greenlane bikes are severely overpriced in dealers.

Pete · Devon's Best

Buy the CRM

Having ridden the same one for 15 years I can honestly say I still get just as much fun out of it now as when it first arrived, and I wore a big grin going up Simms on it yesterday in front of several hundred Exeter Trial spectators.

Too old and too heavy for what? Certainly not for laning. Weaklings.

jt · Powermonger!!

Buy the CRM, your mate is right about 2 strokes wink

dl-arch · Clubman B

blimey prices seems a tad high for such and old bike...nothing else about for the same sort of money?

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

dl-arch wrote:
blimey prices seems a tad high for such and old bike...nothing else about for the same sort of money?

this is what concerns me, its a 20 yr old bike and its costing more than 1k, all the ones ive seen are sub 1k sellers

phil400 · Clubman A

i paid a little over a grand for my first laning bike knowing that i was going to fall off and probably scuff it, i'd rather damage a £1000 bike then one i still had to 30 payments left to pay!
like it says above everyone likes something different so go cheap now try out other bikes until you find what suits your riding style.

got a newer bike now but i still fall off that one too confuse biggrin

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

what are gas gas bikes like, this isnt miles away:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190779441447?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

delvey91 · Devon's Best

Can keep up with anything on a CRM there dont seem that heavy once your moving, ive had 2 before, 2nd one was a lemon but then it came from south devonso what do you expect! drowned inall those big puddles !

Rob Drake · Clubman B

Vikings wrote:
buy dans 400 exc its a bob on bike with nowt needing to be done to it for ages. best laning bike ever. end of!

-- Edited by Vikings on Sunday 6th of January 2013 04:32:31 PM

Who's Dan? I'm looking for another bike?

russell11031967 · Devon's Best

Only paid £800 for my CRM but it did seize up after two rides and have had a CRF450 for over three years with no problems so the 2 stroke 4 stroke maintenance debate is bollocks, they are just easier to work on yourself not necessarily cheaper and if you are looking at 450 4 strokes then the CRM is still way lighter, like Harty said get a cheap one to start with and progress for there smile

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

jt wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
what are gas gas bikes like, this isnt miles away:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190779441447?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Gas Gas 4T's are nowt but trouble but the 2T's seem OK - yet another tail of woe on this forum now the CRM in that link looks a dog and there are much better bikes about for that money....

-- Edited by jt on Sunday 6th of January 2013 05:16:43 PM

My mate has a gas gas 2 stroke and hes had no issues, that gasser is quite a distance from me tho, what I like about them is theyre alot newer for decent money!!

Rob Drake · Clubman B

Vikings wrote:
Dan on here. He's in exmuff. Minters 400 exc. lush one. Well sorted.

Thanks Vikings I've found him. I didn't see it for sale on here, or anywhere else for that matter. Might well fit the bill.

Gas Gas Guy · Clubman B

Fowlersrs wrote:
jt wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
what are gas gas bikes like, this isnt miles away:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190779441447?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Gas Gas 4T's are nowt but trouble but the 2T's seem OK - yet another tail of woe on this forum now the CRM in that link looks a dog and there are much better bikes about for that money....

-- Edited by jt on Sunday 6th of January 2013 05:16:43 PM

My mate has a gas gas 2 stroke and hes had no issues, that gasser is quite a distance from me tho, what I like about them is theyre alot newer for decent money!!

what gasser? The link is for the crm

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=190779804033&index=0&nav=WATCHING&nid=84351773832

That one sorry

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HUSQVARNA-WR-250CC-ON-AN-04-REG-IN-GREAT-CONDITION-NO-EXPENCE-SPARED-ON-THIS-/181057613478?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a27dfeea6

Have a look at this before jumping on the orange wagon, worth about £1500, if it does not suit i will buy it.

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

doug9270 wrote:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HUSQVARNA-WR-250CC-ON-AN-04-REG-IN-GREAT-CONDITION-NO-EXPENCE-SPARED-ON-THIS-/181057613478?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a27dfeea6

Have a look at this before jumping on the orange wagon, worth about £1500, if it does not suit i will buy it.

Looks a nice buy but it's a long way away buddy!

Biff · Expert

Reckon it's Seen a bit of action
oldish model.
Love GasGas
Just don't need another sob story on the forum

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

Thanks Biff, at least we can see that there is more to life than orange biggrin biggrin

RichT4 · Champion

Seems to me that all the 2 stroke fan boys seems to gloss over the fact that 2 strokes vibrate like no bodies business!

I don't think I could ride all day on a bike who's engine is shaking my hands & feet to death.

Now there maybe some 'soft' 2 strokes that don't do this but the enduro ones all seem to do this... disbelief

delvey91 · Devon's Best

My Ktm 380 is as soft as silk, Barely any vibration at all.

RichT4 · Champion

Fowlersrs wrote:
most newer stuff is 4 stroke and my mates have told me to avoid 4 as there not simple enough and maintenance costs can add up... So what do I do, I can't find the right solution?!

Get a sensible 4 stroke and the maintenence will most likley be less & less expensive than a 2 stroke.

Now I'm not saying a DRZ400 is a good bike for starting - depends on your build & ability (I'd suggest a CRF230/250 or a WR250R or F etc..).

However in 10 years of ownership my DRZ has asked for nothing more than oil & filters (11,000 miles of lane use)

See if you can get that from any 2 stroke with diving inside it's engine. wink

Biff · Expert

RichT4 wrote:

Seems to me that all the 2 stroke fan boys seems to gloss over the fact that 2 strokes vibrate like no bodies business!
I don't think I could ride all day on a bike who's engine is shaking my hands & feet to death.
Now there maybe some 'soft' 2 strokes that don't do this but the enduro ones all seem to do this...

Had the dreaded white finger on my RD350 LC and my TZR 250
But not n the GasGas

jt · Powermonger!!

Gas Gas Guy wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:

jt wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
what are gas gas bikes like, this isnt miles away:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190779441447?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Gas Gas 4T's are nowt but trouble but the 2T's seem OK - yet another tail of woe on this forum now the CRM in that link looks a dog and there are much better bikes about for that money....

-- Edited by jt on Sunday 6th of January 2013 05:16:43 PM

My mate has a gas gas 2 stroke and hes had no issues, that gasser is quite a distance from me tho, what I like about them is theyre alot newer for decent money!!

what gasser? The link is for the crm

russell11031967 · Devon's Best

2 strokes don't only cost more to maintain they cost more to run as you have to buy and carry that funny smelly oily stuff biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin bloody old diesels

Vikings · Clubman A

Mine was ok. Just not as nice as a quick 4t but I'm lazy and can't ride very well

delvey91 · Devon's Best

I killed a DRZ 400 in 4000 miles all depends how you ride em

Gas Gas Guy · Clubman B

jt wrote:
Gas Gas Guy wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
you can have my gasser for £1200
jt wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
what are gas gas bikes like, this isnt miles away:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190779441447?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Gas Gas 4T's are nowt but trouble but the 2T's seem OK - yet another tail of woe on this forum now the CRM in that link looks a dog and there are much better bikes about for that money....

-- Edited by jt on Sunday 6th of January 2013 05:16:43 PM

My mate has a gas gas 2 stroke and hes had no issues, that gasser is quite a distance from me tho, what I like about them is theyre alot newer for decent money!!

what gasser? The link is for the crm

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

russell11031967 wrote:
2 strokes don't only cost more to maintain they cost more to run as you have to buy and carry that funny smelly oily stuff bloody old diesels

But boy are they not fun and scary at the same time ? biggrin biggrin

Gas Gas Guy · Clubman B

postcards 213.jpg and if your talking huskys, this for £2k

RichT4 · Champion

delvey91 wrote:
I killed a DRZ 400 in 4000 miles all depends how you ride em

Yeh, 4000 miles constant redline on the tramac I bet lol

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

to be honest im not so sure im gonna narrow myself down to just 2 stroke bikes, its more about finding something decent for reasonable money

gaschef · Devon's Best

If you are starting look at Honda Crf 230 250, XR 250, Yamaha TTR 250, Suzuki DRZ 250 well proven bikes will take you anywhere you want to go, cheap to run and maintain, more importantly they are reliable, and they hold their resale value. Once you have got into laning off roading etc you can than decide where you want to go. If you have an interest in racing, trials or enduros you can look at a suitable bike, if you just want to ride the lanes why would you need a rocket ship.

As for the 2T 4T debate that will never end, I have both and they are both as good as one another, as with all things mechanical, maintenance is the key.

To put my penny worth in I have a Honda CRF 230 ultra reliable, air cooled and light weight (which is something to bear in mind when you have to pull the beastie out of a mud hole). I do a lot of miles a year 4000 plus and it has never failed to get me where I want to go. I have had a lot of people on rides I lead who on larger and so called better bikes stuggle to get where the 230 just bimbles up with no problems. And the last thing you have to worry about is fuel normally 10 hours riding to the tank full.

If you look at the price 06 models are still making £2000 and are snapped up very quickly, that has to say something about them.

The CCM 230 is based on the Honda, probably not as good build quality but a good bike none the less and well worth looking at

My 2T is a 250 Gas Gas 12 years old and still starts 2nd Kick and pulls like a train, and has had one head gasket, and a couple of sets of brake pads.

delvey91 · Devon's Best

RichT4 wrote:
delvey91 wrote:
I killed a DRZ 400 in 4000 miles all depends how you ride em
Yeh, 4000 miles constant redline on the tramac I bet lol

Not particually think i just got a bad one!!

delvey91 · Devon's Best

Vikings wrote:
Pay good money. Otherwise u will just get crap. Anything under 2.5k will be tat! Unless ur lucky

paid 900 quid for a mint 02 200exc better than most 2012 bikes i rekon.

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

gaschef wrote:
If you are starting look at Honda Crf 230 250, XR 250, Yamaha TTR 250, Suzuki DRZ 250 well proven bikes will take you anywhere you want to go, cheap to run and maintain, more importantly they are reliable, and they hold their resale value. Once you have got into laning off roading etc you can than decide where you want to go. If you have an interest in racing, trials or enduros you can look at a suitable bike, if you just want to ride the lanes why would you need a rocket ship.
As for the 2T 4T debate that will never end, I have both and they are both as good as one another, as with all things mechanical, maintenance is the key.
To put my penny worth in I have a Honda CRF 230 ultra reliable, air cooled and light weight (which is something to bear in mind when you have to pull the beastie out of a mud hole). I do a lot of miles a year 4000 plus and it has never failed to get me where I want to go. I have had a lot of people on rides I lead who on larger and so called better bikes stuggle to get where the 230 just bimbles up with no problems. And the last thing you have to worry about is fuel normally 10 hours riding to the tank full.
If you look at the price 06 models are still making £2000 and are snapped up very quickly, that has to say something about them.
The CCM 230 is based on the Honda, probably not as good build quality but a good bike none the less and well worth looking at
My 2T is a 250 Gas Gas 12 years old and still starts 2nd Kick and pulls like a train, and has had one head gasket, and a couple of sets of brake pads.

Thats not u selling one in torquay is it?

Biff · Expert

GasGas-
"Floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee"
Deep joy

gaschef · Devon's Best

Fowlersrs wrote:
gaschef wrote:
If you are starting look at Honda Crf 230 250, XR 250, Yamaha TTR 250, Suzuki DRZ 250 well proven bikes will take you anywhere you want to go, cheap to run and maintain, more importantly they are reliable, and they hold their resale value. Once you have got into laning off roading etc you can than decide where you want to go. If you have an interest in racing, trials or enduros you can look at a suitable bike, if you just want to ride the lanes why would you need a rocket ship.
As for the 2T 4T debate that will never end, I have both and they are both as good as one another, as with all things mechanical, maintenance is the key.
To put my penny worth in I have a Honda CRF 230 ultra reliable, air cooled and light weight (which is something to bear in mind when you have to pull the beastie out of a mud hole). I do a lot of miles a year 4000 plus and it has never failed to get me where I want to go. I have had a lot of people on rides I lead who on larger and so called better bikes stuggle to get where the 230 just bimbles up with no problems. And the last thing you have to worry about is fuel normally 10 hours riding to the tank full.
If you look at the price 06 models are still making £2000 and are snapped up very quickly, that has to say something about them.
The CCM 230 is based on the Honda, probably not as good build quality but a good bike none the less and well worth looking at
My 2T is a 250 Gas Gas 12 years old and still starts 2nd Kick and pulls like a train, and has had one head gasket, and a couple of sets of brake pads.

Thats not u selling one in torquay is it?

No But I think Ming was selling his a little while ago, he is torquay way, Mines not for sale

Fowlersrs · Clubman B

Gas Gas Guy wrote:
jt wrote:
Gas Gas Guy wrote:

you can have my gasser for £1200

now were talking, this bike looks goooood

Pete · Devon's Best

Fowlersrs wrote:
Gas Gas Guy wrote:
jt wrote:
Gas Gas Guy wrote:

you can have my gasser for £1200

now were talking, this bike looks goooood

But unlike the CRM you do not get Honda reliability and all the road going niceties that the CRM has as standard which the gg lacks.

You did say you wanted a green lane bike did you not?

Don't let idiots persuade you an enduro race bike is a road bike when it is not, just because it has a number plate and is 'road legal'.

Hoops · Elite

Feel sorry for you aksing this question on here, confusion, misdirection and fanbois (I'm in the latter but not commenting wink ). Buy what you can afford, have fun on it, move on from there. It's green-laning not competition.

Pete · Devon's Best

Hoops wrote:
It's green-laning not competition.

QED

delvey91 · Devon's Best

Gas Gas is an ideal bike and good at that price !

Gas Gas Guy · Clubman B

Pete wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
Gas Gas Guy wrote:
jt wrote:
Gas Gas Guy wrote:

you can have my gasser for £1200

now were talking, this bike looks goooood

But unlike the CRM you do not get Honda reliability and all the road going niceties that the CRM has as standard which the gg lacks.
You did say you wanted a green lane bike did you not?
Don't let idiots persuade you an enduro race bike is a road bike when it is not, just because it has a number plate and is 'road legal'.

Idiots?