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cb300


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Hi bit of a strange one I looked at a bike today at a dealer (1992 TTR 250 open enduro )and it's got a different frame number on the v5 to what's on the bike .The dealer was up front and told me straight away that it was imported with a few other bikes in parts from the us and got mixed up on re fitting ? He said it needs correcting with DVLA and offered it to me at a good price to take as is no mot tax etc. It looks a good bike and very original only showing 4000km doesnt look like it's done much off-roading . engine is sweet as a nut so would be just right for what I want at the moment .He gave me a photo copy of the v5 that he's got its got a K reg number and was locally ( Devon)owned by a lady so she must of had a very easy going MOT tester or it's never been moted since mot went to the computer system that cross references frame and engine numbers? Anyway anyone know how easy it is to get the frame number corrected with the DVLA ?  Or is it a load of hassle as most things with the DVLA are a nightmare . I might give the last owner a call just test the water .



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I would phone the DVLA and ask as I had no end of issues just trying to get the right colour on the log book when Renault put the wrong number plates on the wrong cars. Mine said Grey and it was black and the grey one the opposite.. Took months before they agreed to change it and needed to be inspected. Stupid really as its quicker to just fill in a form and say its been resprayed!

Certainly call the DVLA and they will tell you how long and if at any cost. Strange the dealer didnt bother doing it



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Is it for sale in treens? if so it's been there for ages, and there is always a reason for that!



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cb300


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ttr steve wrote:

Is it for sale in treens? if so it's been there for ages, and there is always a reason for that!

 yes it is ! it does seem odd that they don't just do it confusethink I'll give it a miss . Shame really would make a good bike .



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peter


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Nothing to do with your V5 Chris but if ever you want to get out on the Cornish lanes, give me a shout. Twelve of us out leaving from Bodmin tomorrow.

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Bit of an old post but having gone through the importing process myself with a TTR, I would suggest if its not got the correct frame number then the log books not for the bike in DVLA's view. You would have to go through the whole process again of getting a V5 for the bike which is not too difficult but will cost roughly an extra £100 with dating letters etc.

You can change colour/engine etc on V5 but the frame number is the bike in their view.

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It is indeed a very odd one!

If anyone is interested I have the frame that matches the number in the V5 of the Treen TTR250 confuse

I bought it along with some TTR spares but, because I couldn't get the V5 from the PO despite months of trying, I gave up and chopped the base off it to use as an engine stand.

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Sorry to resurrect an old post but it is relevant to my question.

What if.....   a motorcycle is involved, say, in an accident and the frame damaged. If the owner swaps out the frame for a good one with no paperwork, does DVLA consider it a new bike that has to be checked and registered or will they just amend the V5?

Same situation if the original frame is rusted or otherwise u/s. 

I could ask DVLA but life is too short! I am interested in anyone that has gone down this path or knows someone that has and can say what the situation is biggrin

Brian

PS I found this advice on DVLA website but it only refers to a new frame but how would they know if it was new or just refurbished?

Keep a vehicles original registration number

A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove youve used:

  • the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
  • a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
  • the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
  • a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)

You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

For motorbikes:

  • forks
  • wheels
  • engine
  • gear box


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Same principle, so long as you can show them the old and new frame (if they ask) and nothing else has changed you should be ok.

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Albert


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TTR wrote:
how would they know if it was new or just refurbished?

 

 

They would know if the used frame had been on a registered bike, it would already have a number plate

 

The trouble with registering a bike from overseas which has non matching frame and engine is that the manufacturer won't give you a dating letter for it, i have been through this myself. In that situation the bike needs to be registered on a Q plate, or you need to buy a frame with an existing V5 and use that to avoid the Q plate and associated test.

the Q plate comes with a test of roadworthyness, which for an enduro bike project might be an issue as you may no have indicators etc. the bike would be tested as if new and so not benefit from any age related avoidance of number plate rules etc. It is much better and simpler to register with the manufacturers dating letter



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