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Is this scaremongering?


http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/October/oct22-abs-to-become-compulsory/_/R-EPI-127445?WT.dcsvid=SilverpopMailing&WT.mc_id=MCN%20Newsletter%2026oct2010%20%281%29

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Don't let JT see this - fur (or arrows) will fly if he does!  furiousfurious
In all honesty it seems as if Brussels is ruling UK - and we never got a referendum!!! confuse
Time will tell, until then we must pray aww
Martyn

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No it's not scaremongering and it scares me ****less.  Add to this the proposed EU anti-tampering laws (i.e the end of home maintenance and sealed engine units) from about 2015-17 I think and all motorcyclists are royally f**ked, especially those with a leaning towards the dirt.  IT really is time to nip this in th bud, by writing to MEPs now, but apathy being what it is they'll probably receive about 7 letters right across the EU.

Like Cubber says we have these tossers making laws and regulations (often brought in with little fanfare so it's too late to do anything about it) and they weren't even elected.  Demcracy?  What democracy?  It seems these unelected officials have so little to do they have to tamper with every little freedom we have.  Oh, and make sure our bananas aren't too bent, which is a really good use EU funds.

/rant.

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That is seriously concerning, we need to adopt the French attitude and start blockading the ports etcfurious

 

PS anyone want to by a GSA and a CRF?no



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While we should not be complacent, dont believe every word you read in the press! - even the MCN - it is still trying to sell copy!! 

This is what the DfT said in response, which is mildly encouraging, but yes keep up the pressure and write to your MP/MEP as should every M/C club.

Question 6: What is your view on the mandatory fitting of ABS on all
motorcycles? Why?

The UK supports effective safety measures provided a robust Impact Assessment demonstrates a positive cost benefit.  ABS on two-wheelers has been shown by a recent study carried out on behalf of the Department2 to have the potential to prevent up to 6% of injury accidents in the UK. Further work is now required to determine the cost
implications that any mandatory requirements would impose.  Our study indicates that the benefits are likely to be greater for larger capacity machines. From this we conclude that extension of ABS to all categories on a mandatory basis is unlikely to offer sufficient benefits that outweigh the significant costs. It is necessary to understand this issue better and the possibilities should be considered jointly by the Commission and the Member States working closely with stakeholders in the sectors involved.

Question 7: In your opinion, are there other/supplementary solutions better
suited for certain categories (i.e. coupled braking, stability control systems,
etc.) that would produce the same/better effect at better costs?

This should be explored with industry and other stakeholders. There is a risk
that mandating ABS will deter manufacturers from developing alternative solutions that may offer similar or greater benefits and be more cost effective for particular categories of vehicle. The potential for alternative solutions, for example, voluntary commitments or consumer awareness schemes should also be explored. Simple alternatives to ABS may be more appropriate and cost effective for smaller machines however care is needed to ensure that technologies fitted to bikes used by inexperienced and learner riders are consistent in their performance with those fitted to larger machines. If this is not the case then there will be the possibility that riders will need to adapt their riding style to
accommodate different braking technologies on different machines. Our research suggests coupled braking is likely to provide additional safety benefits for motorcyclists although these are expected to be lower than ABS.  However, this assessment was based on very limited information highlighting the need for a better understanding of the effectiveness of such systems. At present it is probably premature to consider legislation mandating the fitment of these systems.

3.2 Anti-tampering measures for mopeds, motorcycles, tricycles and
quadricycles

Question 8: Do you think that the additional measures proposed by the TüV
study and the one proposed in the Motorcycle working group mentioned
above? Why?

With respect to the recommendations for additional anti-tampering measures in the TUV study, proposals to prohibit removable components from silencers, cycle beating in respect of noise and to address modifications to electronic control systems/software seem sensible. We have not commented on TUV proposals which relate to roadworthiness enforcement etc, which we presume to be outside the scope of this consultation.
We are sceptical of the benefit of current anti-tampering provisions and would expect to see a cost benefit assessment for any additional measures. We can see the logic of anti-tampering requirements on vehicles where licencing restrictions exist and so extending anti-tampering requirements to motorcycles limited to 25kW may be justified. However we see no justification for extension to higher performance machines which are not associated with driver licensing restrictions.


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Dont see the problem, surely it will only effect brand new bikes marketed when/if the new law comes in.

Plenty of secondhand bikes out there. Which is what most of us use on the lanes, from what I have seen!!



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Cubber wrote:

Don't let JT see this - fur (or arrows) will fly if he does!  furiousfurious
In all honesty it seems as if Brussels is ruling UK - and we never got a referendum!!! confuse
Time will tell, until then we must pray aww
Martyn



Yea and my aim's improving furious

 



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jt wrote:

Cubber wrote:

Don't let JT see this - fur (or arrows) will fly if he does!  furiousfurious
In all honesty it seems as if Brussels is ruling UK - and we never got a referendum!!! confuse
Time will tell, until then we must pray aww
Martyn



Yea and my aim's improving furious

 



the only problem is who in that amorphorus unelected mass of bueracrats will JT aim at

he wont have enough arrows in his quiver to shoot them all 



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I wouldn't worry too much.
I expect the manufactures to have a controlled information leak on a site like Thumper Talk
before the bikes even leave the factory.
Ether that or they wont sell any.

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Who cares, just live your life your way and don't take much notice of media driven negativity or faceless burocrats .  At the end of the day it take 10 seconds or less to disable ABS.

The biggest threat to our lives is paranoia!


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But we need to change the rules, or those that make them - not just ignore or find ways round them.

Otherwise it's just unfair to those few left who abide by the rules.

And Tim I can't agree or disagree as I don't understand what a amorphorus unelected mass is wink


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jt wrote:
And Tim I can't agree or disagree as I don't understand what a amorphorus unelected mass is wink

Ah, I think I know this one. It's what seeps from an infected wound and smells. AKA MEP.ashamed

 



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Good thing the EXC is an Enduro bike.

Bloody European's a********

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jt wrote:

not just ignore or find ways round them.



Yes but where is the fun in that?



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