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More Biking Restrictions?


Just come across this, with the EU due to vote on a raft of more crap hampering bikes and bikers - link to MAG website

ABS on dirtbikes?  Whatever next furious



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They havent dug up

Martin Bangemann

 

again have they?



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We need more regulations.

Without them we may go out and have fun and may even enjoy ourselves while all around us everything turns to doo doo.



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The UK became a signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights in 1951 but the Human Rights Act wasn't passed by Parliament until 1998.  These things take time.

Just because an idea has been floated it doesn't mean it will become law tomorrow.

I suggest people contact our local MEP to voice their concerns.

http://www.gileschichestermep.org.uk/contact.htm

"Bikes are part of the urban transport solution, not problem.

Enough! There will be a vote by the MEP committee discussing the above Regulation in the autumn. We need them to listen. They represent us."

re the coordinated demonstrations:

"but if you or your bike club would like to be a 'starter', contact us (MAG) for co-ordinated action"

DTRF??????????????



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Picked up a copy of MAM in a local cafe today, there was an article about this in there.  As usual there was also the excellent DTRF article too (well done Steve H for that ).



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Giles Chichester was no help when we sought his help to save jobs in Exeter.

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Best that everyone just gives up then.  Whinging takes little effort, action takes effort and thought.

Not directed at anyone in particular just an observation. smile



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I didn't say give up, I was just commenting that he didn't do anything for us when our jobs were on the line, as a consequence he'll never get a vote from me! BTW we weren't whinging we had a well organised campaign and the fact that I'm still working for the same outfit means we were successful!!

For all I know he might like bikes.

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Not directed at anyone in particular just an observation.

That is the problem with sequential forum threads, the last person always thinks you are talking about them.  Society is very insecure. biggrin

If enough people drove off the cliffs at Sidmouth do you think they would build a bridge to France?  People power can work but lots of people die first....



-- Edited by Simmo on Thursday 1st of September 2011 10:57:24 PM

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Well done Dan - I think we all need reminding that taking action can get results sometimes.
.. and not to simply rely on your local councillor, MP or MEP to do it for you as they have their own agenda too.

Rich.

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It just gets worse (and yes this affects dirt bikes):

From MAG's General Secretary Nich Brown :

European Type Approval Regulations that would bring compulsory ABS to all new bikes, alongside anti-modification measures and road-side spot checks to enforce them, took another step forward on Tuesday (30th August 2011).

Fortunately, there is something you can do about it first though, here are the main restrictions that look set to be introduced on new bikes from 2015:

  • Compulsory Anti-lock and/or Combined Braking Systems on all new motorcycles and scooters over 50cc.

Advanced braking systems add cost and complexity to the manufacture and servicing of bikes, but do not always help the rider (especially on loose surfaces such as gravel). The Commission's evidence that the costs are outweighed by the benefits is patchy and may rely too much on data from commercial interests. Consumers should retain the choice to specify ABS if they want it, there should always be an option to disable ABS when necessary.

  • Three new progressively tighter emissions limits to be introduced over 5 years.

Real-world trials of various sizes of bikes and comparable cars on commuting routes show that bikes offer shorter journey-times and lower fuel-consumption. The Commission's evidence relies on one source and does not adequately consider the additional costs and impacts on fuel-economy from adding pollution control technology developed for large vehicles on to small lightweight vehicles. The Commission justifies this by emphasising that bikes account for a growing proportion of some traffic pollutants, but the context is that the total generated by all types of vehicle has fallen to a very low level.

  • Devices to prevent modification of the engine or transmission (including restricted choice of air-filter, drive sprockets or rear-tyre).

Riders of identical bikes are not themselves identical, nor are their journeys. Bikes used mostly on motorways need different drive characteristics to those used mostly on urban streets or rural roads, these can be achieved easily, eg; by choosing different drive sprockets or tyre dimensions. The Commission wishes to add cost and complexity to vehicle design so that owners will be restricted in modifying their bikes to suit their needs in this way.
Partly the Commission wants to stop novice riders tuning their bikes to perform better than their driving licence allows. The Commission prefer to penalise riders who want to de-restrict their learner-bike once they are fully qualified, not to mention already-qualified riders who need or want lightweight bikes with good performance.

  • Computer chips on every bike to monitor and ultimately disable engines.

The Commission envisages basic chips on all bikes to record breaches of emission limits as a pre-cursor to requiring more sophisticated devices capable of disabling bikes and storing information about riding characteristics at a later stage.

  • Road-side checks of passing bikes (but not cars)

The Commission proposes all EU Member States should mount road-side checks of passing bikes as one means of enforcing restrictions on riders ability to modify their bikes. This iniquitous threat to the free-movement of citizens does not extend to people travelling in modified cars.

  • Impact on after-market parts suppliers

The Commissions impact assessment considers the effect of changes on the manufacturers of original equipment to the detriment of alternative suppliers of after-market components and spare parts, future consumer-choice of replacement parts has not been adequately considered.

  • Power and speed limits to restrict development of electric motorcycles

The development of electric drive technology could see the development of low-, medium- and high-performance alternatives to fossil-fuel bikes in the foreseeable future. The Commission wishes to restrict that competition by imposing speed and power limits on electric bikes. This gross interference in the development of consumer choice may also indicate an intention to restrict the performance of future cars or other personal transport vehicles.


Last Tuesday, a meeting of 'IMCO', the Internal Market and Consumer Protection Committee of MEPs which is overseeing the European Commission's proposals, discussed progress on negotiations with the Commission on more than 300 amendments tabled by MEPs.

Sadly, it looks as though Dutch MEP Wim van de Camp, who is taking the lead in negotiations with the Commission, not only agrees with many of the Commissions proposals, he sees little room for compromise on most of the amendments put forward by his fellow MEPs. The alliances formed between different blocks of political parties in the European Parliament could yet deliver a majority of votes to Mr van de Camp unless we all do something to turn it around.


What can be done..?

1. There is a very simple way to contact the MEPs that represent you, and put forward our case against further restrictions on bike-design and use of bikes BEFORE these decisions are cast in stone. Vital discussions are going on in the next few days and weeks so please go to www.writetothem.com and tell them how you feel about the points listed above (cut and paste the seven bullet points above if you need to).

2. UK-wide protests are being organised for 1pm on Sunday 25th September - this is your opportunity to defend the riders' right to decide what they ride and to modify their bikes to suit their needs (not to mention oppose compulsory day-glo, bans on older bikes in cities, etc.). For further details of more than 70 starting points on the UK trunk road network go to: http://www.facebook.com/pages/25th-S...18514361530962

In the meantime, MAG continues to lobby our own Department for Transport, UK MEPs and MPs to oppose any further restrictions on bikes and riders. MAG will be meeting DfT officials again in a few days time - more to follow.

Video of the IMCO meeting, as well as official papers describing the Commissions proposals and the 300+ suggested amendments, can be found on the EU website (the video shows discussion about the Type Approval Regulations from 15:54:30 to 16:26:00): http://www.europarl.europa.eu/wps-eu...at=wmv#anchor1

If you do watch the video, pay attention to Mr van de Camps introduction youll hear that he is a motorcyclist (he has a collection of bikes including an R1), that he had a crash recently and that he believes ABS would have prevented it. He says he is working on the Type Approval regulations as an MEP rather than as a rider.

 



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There hasn't been a bike made yet that won't be sufficient for my needs, so what the future brings is not my concern.

ABS on bikes can be disabled with wire cutters.  Braking won't fail just because an ABS sensor fails. 

For something to be regulated against it has to be possible.  If it is possible then it will still be possible after regulation, just harder.



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So who's doing the action bit then?

M5 services is listed (exeter) , i can ride slow enough honest biggrin

no point in blocking the lanes most wouldn't notice and some are blocked already biggrin

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-- Edited by wackyracer on Saturday 3rd of September 2011 09:28:40 PM

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wackyracer wrote:

So who's doing the action bit then?

M5 services is listed (exeter) , i can ride slow enough honest biggrin

no point in blocking the lanes most wouldn't notice and some are blocked already biggrin

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Yep I'm doing it.  See you at Moto Services wink



-- Edited by Hoops on Friday 9th of September 2011 08:26:44 PM

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I'll slow the traffic down in Sidmouth, though to be honest that might involve getting off and walking it.

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Here's the latest list (link), any fellow TRF-ers going along?

 

  • M1 England

Northampton Services north and southbound

Leicester Forrest East Services southbound

Donington Park Services

Trowell Services northbound

Tibshelf Services northbound

Woodall Services northbound

Woolley Edge Services southbound

  • M1 Northern Ireland

J7 Sprucefield Park and Ride, Lisburn

  • A2 Northern Ireland

Ballyreagh Rd, Portrush, NW200 paddock

  • M2

Medway Services eastbound

  • M3

Fleet Services southbound

Fleet Services northbound

  • M4

Reading services eastbound

Leigh Delamere services westbound

j32 ASDA carpark

j33 Cardiff Services

Pont Abram Services eastbound

  • M5

Frankley Services southbound

Strensham Services northbound

Gordano Services

Sedgemoor Services southbound

Taunton Deane Services Southbound and Northbound

Exeter Services

  • M6

Corley Services eastbound

Stafford Services southbound

Keele Services southbound

Charnock Richard services southbound

J34 Holiday Inn, Lancaster

  • M8

Harthill Services eastbound

  • M74

Hamilton Services

  • M77

A71/a76/a77 Belfield Interchange Travelodge Q8 KA1 5LQ

  • M9

Stirling services

  • M90

Kinross Services southbound

  • M11

Birchanger Green Services

  • M20

Hythe Services J11

  • M23

Pease Pottage Services

  • M25

South Mimms services

Clacket Lane Services clockwise

  • M27

Rownham Services eastbound

  • M40

Oxford Services

Warwick Services northbound

  • M42

Hopwood Services

  • M55

B&Q, J4 motorway end

  • M56

Chester services

  • M58

J3 Little Chef Rainford bypass A507

  • M61

Bolton West Services, Northbound

  • M62

FerryBridge Services

Hartsheadmoor Services westbound

Birch Services westbound

  • A1 and A1M

Washington Services northbound

Durham services, northbound

Scotch Corner

Newark 'Friendly Farmer' services A1/A46/A17 junction

A1 Truck Stop, Colsterworth NG33 5JN

Brampton Hut A1/A14

  • A11

A11/A1065 Barton Mills, Mildenhall

  • A12

8 Ball diner, Rivenhall, A12 northbound

BP, Boreham Interchange A12 northbound

Tesco, Copdock, A12

  • A127

Porky's Diner eastbound

Stawberry fields/ Tesco, Southend

  • A14

Thrapston Services

Brampton Hut A1/A14

j57 Golden Hind, Nacton rd, Ipswich

  • A20

Crittal Corner Services eastbound, Sidcup

  • A24

Sandhill Lane, Washington, W. Sussex opp Destination Triumph RH20 4AJ

  • A264

eastbound layby at Copthorne, East Sussex, before A220/A264 roundabout

  • A27

eastbound layby before Lancing A2025 roundabout

  • A30

Chiverton Cross Services nr Redruth

  • A303

Countess Services eastbound, Amesbury SP4 7AS

Podimore Services, nr Yeovil BA22 8JG

  • A31

Rufus Stone Services westbound, SO43 7GN

  • A34

Milton Heights Services, Didcot, OX14 4TX

  • A38

Lee Mill Services, Ivybridge, Plymouth

  • A40

A40 /A477 Little Chef, Saint Clears roundabout

  • A46

Friendly Farmer services, Newark A1/A46/A17 junction

  • A48

Halford's roundabout, Carmarthen

  • A55

Abergele services, westbound, between j25 and 24a

  • A590

A590 Greenodd Garage services LA12 7RE

  • A61/A616

Tankersley Services near j36 M1. This is a learner friendly start point.

  • A63

Ferriby services westbound HU14 3LN

  • A64

The Highwayman Cafe, York YO32 9TL

  • A9

Tore Services, north of Inverness IV6 7RZ

  • A90

Strathcartho services, between Perth and Aberdeen

Ellon park and ride, north of Aberdeen

  • Others

SK1 4LG Harley Centre, Stockport

 

Closer to the date, we will be have a final, complete list of all the actual start points.

It will be here, on the www.ridersarevoters.org website and many other places. As you can see we've already got venues from Plymouth to Aberdeen on most M-ways and major trunk routes, but if you or your bike club would like to be a 'starter', contact us for co-ordinated action.

 



-- Edited by Hoops on Friday 9th of September 2011 08:30:23 PM

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Putting a letter together this w/e, done a bit of research, the proposed regs. seem to say that you won't even be able to change the profile of a tyre, so if you like MT43s and don't have one fitted as standard from new, you won't be able to fit one no



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Hoops wrote:

Putting a letter together this w/e, done a bit of research, the proposed regs. seem to say that you won't even be able to change the profile of a tyre, so if you like MT43s and don't have one fitted as standard from new, you won't be able to fit one no


Sounds like the market for older pre-new-regulations dirt bikes will improve then wink



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TTR wrote:

 

Sounds like the market for older pre-new-regulations dirt bikes will improve then wink


Not if they don't meet the new emissions standards and you want to use them in an urban area  



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Hoops wrote:

Putting a letter together this w/e, done a bit of research, the proposed regs. seem to say that you won't even be able to change the profile of a tyre, so if you like MT43s and don't have one fitted as standard from new, you won't be able to fit one no


 Said before we need a revolution......mark my words....its coming.....

 

 

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jt wrote:
 

 Said before we need a revolution......mark my words....its coming.....

 

 

Seriously considering a move to Nepal myself ......smile


 Just start with an e-mail to your MP/MEP wink



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After e-mailing my MP, I received a written reply today, here it is:

The European Commission has proposed these new regulations to help harmonise standards for new motorcycles across the European Union. I think this will help both consumers and producers in the UK: producers will be able to access markets across the UK without having to modify their product to meet domestic regulations, while consumers will benefit from a wider range of motorcycles on the market in the UK and improved safety regulations.

I am aware, however, that many motorcyclists are concerned about the specific anti-tampering measures for new motorcycles that are included in these regulations.


The EU Commission states these changes could improve road safety and environmental standards and while I accept there may be benefits to applying anti-tampering measures to small motorcycles intended for learner drivers, I do not agree that a blanket ban on tampering should be introduced across larger vehicles. Indeed, I appreciate that such a ban could prevent some motorcyclists from being able to tune or make improvements to their bike and I would like to see the UK Government reach an alternative to such a ban.

The UK Government are currently consulting on the European Commissions proposals and I would strongly recommend that you respond to the public consultation, outlining your concerns with this measure and the other areas of the Commissions proposals that concern you.

The consultation is open until 28th October [my emphasis] and details can be found on-line at http://assets.dft.gov.uk/consultations/dft-2011-26/dft-2011-26-consultation.pdf

I have now written to the Department for Transport about this matter. As soon as I receive a reply I will contact you again.

Thank you once again for writing to me and I can assure you that I will carefully consider the Governments final proposal and the consultation responses.

All I can say is please write to your MPs sooner rather than later, and also take part in the consultation which expires on 28.10.11.



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Well, shortly before Xmas I received a letter from the Dept. for Transport.  Here it is:

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How many other people wrote in?



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