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gaschef · Devon's Best

URGENT INFORMATION EVERYONE READ THIS

Jerry atterick · Expert

www.gov.uk/driver-cpc-exemptions-examples

This affects a lot of us re moving our gear about etc.
Some of this has taken me by surprise, but check out the examples listed in the above gov web site - possibly? not so bad as might first appear.

I use a large 4x4 for moving my "personal" gear about, suggests that CPC for the driving isnt required?
Im trying to pin down the "Tacho" issues, but, so far, I think similar will apply if for your own use.

You cant afford to ignore it but, for f**ks sake, I wasnt put on the planet to constantly check s**t like this.
Most of us just want to get on with life in a responsible considerate manner - and be left alone.
Those days are rapidly disappearing.
Wont be here that much longer - tee hee!

gaschef · Devon's Best

As far as I understand its only applies to hire and reward, which includes use within your own business . There is a legal precedent set many years ago, so it will be difficult to prove otherwise. If its personal use you don't need it.

There was a load of stuff that came up on the course, that I would not have even considered, and like you I have neither the time or the inclination to go hunting it out.

one good one however what licence do you need to drive an electric car? its one of the little letters at the bottom of the driving licence that allows you to drive a milk float (electric Vehicle) if you don't have that on your licence you are not driving legally, the car B licence doesn't cover electric vehicles.

I think however keep an eye out for changes to the rules concerning transit type vehicles, they are gunning for white van man for good reason, but we are all going to get hit with the sh1te that comes out.

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

Just another type of stealth Tax !!! the rest of europe will probably take no notice as normal.

phil400 · Clubman A

finished my cpc a couple of months back.
i heard of a case a little while back where someone was using a 7.5 ton horse truck without a tacho being used to transport his show jumping horse about, which is ok as its his hobby and not hire or reward but vosa argued that as the horse started to win events it would become more valuable earning the owner money!!
so he needed to drive with a tacho in.

vosa used to be government funded but that has stopped so their revenue is now from fines so they WILL fine you for anything they can and they look really hard when they want to.

september 12 th will see many many trucks being pulled just to make sure you have your cpc card with you.

good luck smile

Mike Wright · Clubman A

The whole thing is a complete load of bollocks in my opinion written up by bigots being overpaid for min effort. If there isnt enough people out of work with this stealth tax those who cant afford to do a CPC and its not paid for by an employer will be out of a job. I have a class 1 and not used for quite a while but kept it going as an insurance in case I needed work and became unemployed. That cost me enough to get years ago so Im not going to do the CPC unless I go back to driving. This means if I become unemployed instead of driving I will be signing on so costing the government more money!

Hopefully this wont ever happen but with so many cut backs who knows!

phil400 · Clubman A

think it cost around £400 for the complete course.
not thought out at all, you could sit the same days training 5 times over, or sit a bus course not even having a bus license and it would still count confuse

bombx3 · Expert

I don't think vosa have the staff any more to be able to pull in loads of trucks,we go to Dover every week and have not been pulled up for three years
3/4 years and back along vosa check point vehicles was everywhere and it was almost 50/50 to get stopped
Also my truck has never be searched at the channel . Cars get searched a lot
Lack of staff again

gaschef · Devon's Best

phil400 wrote:
think it cost around £400 for the complete course.
not thought out at all, you could sit the same days training 5 times over, or sit a bus course not even having a bus license and it would still count

Did mine with DH training in Exeter £325, and yep it was a load of bollocks, you could do the same module 5 times over and you have the ticket. That is going to change from 10th sept when there will be a list of modules you have to do for the next one.

gaschef · Devon's Best

Mike Wright wrote:
The whole thing is a complete load of bollocks in my opinion written up by bigots being overpaid for min effort. If there isnt enough people out of work with this stealth tax those who cant afford to do a CPC and its not paid for by an employer will be out of a job. I have a class 1 and not used for quite a while but kept it going as an insurance in case I needed work and became unemployed. That cost me enough to get years ago so Im not going to do the CPC unless I go back to driving. This means if I become unemployed instead of driving I will be signing on so costing the government more money!

Hopefully this wont ever happen but with so many cut backs who knows!

Nobody knows what happens after the 10th, at present under the grandfather clause you only have to do 35 hours of training, and you get the cpc, Now the grandfather clause is ending you will probably have to sit the course and take the exams. But even the people who are doing the training don't know what is happening after the 10th

Jocko AKA Simmo · Clubman B

Why does my licence say I have C1 until 2041 then? I have C1 but need a CPC to use it?

One of the exemptions is listed is a "state of emergency", I'm sure that covers all events in my forseeable future!

Que, pardon officiale? Mois nine spreken ze anglais mein hoff. Skata, vous pushti malaka.

gaschef · Devon's Best

Simmo according to the instructors on the CPC course, you will find that your C1 entitlement will be removed when you next update your photocard licence, which has to be done every 10 years, so any licence sent in for renewal after 10th sept will be dealt with accordingly.

As usual no one in government has thought this through and there are going to be a lot of very unhappy people about.

I am only passing on info I was given, best you contact DVLA and VOSA to get the full SP and how it will affect you

John Leah · Clubman A

I had to renew my photocard earlier this month and it coincided with the ending of my LGV grandfather rights. Not having driven for some time I hadn't had any CPC training and, not expecting to drive professionally again, reluctantly decided to let my entitlement lapse. It was down to cost as I didn't have an employer to pay for it and enquiries I made when CPC first became a requirement informed me the cost for training was £1,500 - far more than I could justify without work and also more than I could expect to recoup with the part-time working I would be prepared to do should I ever work again. However, had the actual cost quoted at the time been less than £400 I may well have taken it up 'just in case'.

The pathetic wages I was paid and needing to commute to Exeter meant I never really made any money out of it but still enjoyed my brief life as a lorry driver immensely and would be happy to drive again but the numbers have to stack up at least covering my costs. For me, and I suspect many part-time or occasional drivers without sponsorship, it doesn't.

Ironically, the very day this thread started I had a rare call from a driving agency offering me work - they must be getting short of drivers!

Cheers,

John

John Harvey · Clubman A

I've still got a paper license as I've not moved house since the new photo licences came in, so haven't had to renew it, I guess the entitlement still exists as it's still a valid driving license?

phil400 · Clubman A

have you had to have your medical yet?
first one is when your 45

Jocko AKA Simmo · Clubman B

gaschef wrote:
Simmo according to the instructors on the CPC course, you will find that your C1 entitlement will be removed when you next update your photocard licence, which has to be done every 10 years, so any licence sent in for renewal after 10th sept will be dealt with accordingly.
As usual no one in government has thought this through and there are going to be a lot of very unhappy people about.
I am only passing on info I was given, best you contact DVLA and VOSA to get the full SP and how it will affect you

OK thanks. Its all pish as they say up here. This explains it https://www.gov.uk/driver-certificate-of-professional-competence-cpc/having-driver-cpc-through-acquired-rights

-- Edited by Jocko AKA Simmo on Sunday 24th of August 2014 08:53:08 AM

gaschef · Devon's Best

John Leah wrote:
I had to renew my photocard earlier this month and it coincided with the ending of my LGV grandfather rights. Not having driven for some time I hadn't had any CPC training and, not expecting to drive professionally again, reluctantly decided to let my entitlement lapse. It was down to cost as I didn't have an employer to pay for it and enquiries I made when CPC first became a requirement informed me the cost for training was £1,500 - far more than I could justify without work and also more than I could expect to recoup with the part-time working I would be prepared to do should I ever work again. However, had the actual cost quoted at the time been less than £400 I may well have taken it up 'just in case'.
The pathetic wages I was paid and needing to commute to Exeter meant I never really made any money out of it but still enjoyed my brief life as a lorry driver immensely and would be happy to drive again but the numbers have to stack up at least covering my costs. For me, and I suspect many part-time or occasional drivers without sponsorship, it doesn't.
Ironically, the very day this thread started I had a rare call from a driving agency offering me work - they must be getting short of drivers!
Cheers,
John

John as far as I am aware through what we were told, if you hold a C, C+E type LGV licence ie one you had to pass a HGV test for, the entitlement still stands you just cant use it as a paid driver until unless you have a cpc. Its the C1 entitlement that millions of people hold but never use that they are doing away with. How you now get the cpc ticket now the grandfather rights has finished I don't know .

Like you I baulked at the 1500 quid price tag when it first came out, but it dropped mine came out at 325

And YES the industry is very short of drivers, the lot I did my course with were looking for 50 drivers plus for immeadiate start, and another 50 to go on the books, and they are worried that not enough drivers have done the cpc and they will not be able to employ them

-- Edited by gaschef on Sunday 24th of August 2014 04:47:39 PM

Jerry atterick · Expert

I had the same problem with 360 excavator, forklift, telehandler etc CPC tickets.
It cost an absolute fortune, as an employer, to get and keep everybody upto date.
In the end I gave up, along with the £54 thousand insurance that I actually paid, it simply wasnt worth the hassle.
Then there was the "everybody had to be employed", did exactly what was required, wages immediately went up by £1 thousand a week. Not many others did it, thought to myself the system will catch up with them.
Two years went by, then all the others were given an amnesty, £100 thousand for nothing.
And they wonder why people like myself give up, it totally kicks the s**t out of you.
As it turns out, it was the best thing ever that happened for me, but its a bitter pill to swallow, as you might guess from this posting.

Big T · Expert

phil400 wrote:
have you had to have your medical yet?
first one is when your 45

Medical for what, specifically?

phil400 · Clubman A

you need a medical when your 45 , then every 5 years until 65 then every year for your lgv licence

Big T · Expert

pOk. Ta00 wrote:
you need a medical when your 45 , then every 5 years until 65 then every year for your lgv licence

Ok.

Jerry atterick · Expert

I love the system. Those that pick up the tab for any liability dictate to those that do not.
They impose ever more unnecessary "higher" standards of health and safety and the associated legislation, then cant understand why the rest of us cant afford all the new certificates for this and that, let all our established tickets go and become more and more selfish in our business outlook.
Then some bright spark decides we need a government led initiative to lead a recruitment drive to bring all our "unqualified unemployed" upto a ridiculous minimum level (learn plumbing in one week, gain a qualification!").
Then there is no take up, so we import good hard working Eastern European staff, because whether we like it or not, they will take it up and they will deliver.
The country is getting what it deserves.
I wonder what the lads from 14-18 would make of it?
My father, 91, was saying that, at the end of WW2, that was the end to all wars - a new beginning, everyone full of enthusiasm, committed to progress etc etc.
Common sense, I was one of the worst who was born without (ask my friends), then through many painful mistakes probably have more than most. The trouble is, it has no value anymore, no one seems able to stand back and sort the chaff from the wheat.
All this crap apart, life is really good, the sun is out (for the moment), all the bikes are running brilliant, had a brilliant blast to Bude on my road bike, had a brilliant 25th wedding anniversary week, have booked in for my last Geraint Jones Enduro school and am really looking forward to the next days trail ride.
Tee hee!