After the double puncher I had today, screw through the rear wheel, thorn in the front wheel. I am going to buy tubeless. Kleenex do still have any more available. If not does anyone know the best place to get them. Cheers Nick
Mousse in me front and tubliss in me back, not that I have had much chance to check them out but on the 100 lane run i did they seemed to perform superb
I happen to think that Tubliss are an outstanding piece of kit and I know that view is shared by many who have used them (several of whom have bought them from me).
However, it is always nice to see someone post an intelligent well-argued alternative point of view
Sorry Steve, completely disagree - having tried tubes, mousse's & Tubliss I wouldn't use anything else - got 2 sets so even my spare wheels are wearing them.
Gives complete flexibility on pressures with complete peace of mind. easy to fit, long lasting, lighter.
Only requires careful fitting 1st time and thats it.
No drawbacks at all for me in many months now.
Big thank you to colin who sold me mine - first thing I fitted to my new 250 as soon as I got it
I got mine from DQMX, delivered good as gold and text follow up to make sure I got them ok, the guy was sound.
Ditto 2 weeks ago. Ridden one ride so far and can't tell the difference from tubes except the peace of mind and not having to carry tubes, levers, etc.
Go for it !
David
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DGTRFYou're just passing through, make the most of it !
tubliss- 10psi in the front 7psi in the rear MT43 (half worn) grip in any conditions is as good as it gets. Not having an ultra heavy tube seems to allow the tyre to flex better and do its stuff.- I haven't experienced any issues with the tyre slipping on the rim either ripping out the valve stem(fingers crossed).
Puncture the tubliss and you are completely stuffed but it hasnt happened yet- love em.
tubliss- 10psi in the front 7psi in the rear MT43 (half worn) grip in any conditions is as good as it gets. Not having an ultra heavy tube seems to allow the tyre to flex better and do its stuff.- I haven't experienced any issues with the tyre slipping on the rim either ripping out the valve stem(fingers crossed).
Puncture the tubliss and you are completely stuffed but it hasnt happened yet- love em.
Mike
Hi Mike,
just to reassure you so you can uncross your fingers
As long as you check the Tubliss pressure (as opposed to the tyre pressure) and make sure it is up around 100-110 psi before you ride, the tyre cannot slip on the rim - it has got a 360deg 100psi rimlock.
Even if you allowed the pressure to drop to the point where the tyre does does spin (I don't know how low that would have to be) there is no reason to think it would also spin the Tubliss (the friction between the tyre and the Tubliss probably wouldn't do it any good if it was spinning a lot though). Bottom line, if anyone allowed this situation to happen it would be the negligence of the user at fault, not the Tubliss.
As you say, if you puncture the actual bladder of the Tubliss then you are stuffed. To put this in perspective though, you would have to have something go through the tyre, the airspace within the tyre, the 3.5mm thick reinforced outer liner and, finally, the 2.2mm thick bladder .
I have known a lot of riders do a lot of miles on Tubliss and the only time I have known this to happen was when the rider hit a pointed rock so hard that it broke the wheel as well as puncturing the Tubliss. Every other occurence of bladder punctures I have encountered has been due to mishandling when fitting or, more often, removing tyres.
I hope you keep on loving 'em
Cheers
Colin
-- Edited by cee-b on Tuesday 10th of November 2015 04:46:10 PM
Another thing to consider, i put a horrible dent on my front wheel rim last Sunday which would probably have been prevented by the tubliss 100 psi tube
incidentally i asked the guy at DQMX about replacing the smaller unique tube and they are pretty cheap to replace if you do puncture one when fitting or w/e but due to the pressures cannot really be repaired
tubeless have let me down twice now whats the point? you get a flat and can't ride on anymore unless you repair it? unless you run a veto hard side wall tyre they are useless. i wish they weren't as love the idea of them but alas the proof is in the pudding for me. sorry boys but if they were good why are none of the ups top riders in the bec or euros riding with them?
if they were good why are none of the ups top riders in the bec or euros riding with them?
What is best in top level racing isn't necessarily the best for trails, the top riders uses mousses because the cost, lifespan and difficult fitting is not an issue compared with not having to stop and loose a race
You raise a good point about puncturing the tyre though, I would be curious to hear what other tubliss users have to say on that?
tubeless have let me down twice now whats the point? you get a flat and can't ride on anymore unless you repair it? unless you run a veto hard side wall tyre they are useless. i wish they weren't as love the idea of them but alas the proof is in the pudding for me. sorry boys but if they were good why are none of the ups top riders in the bec or euros riding with them?
I'm a little confused here Steve .
Tubliss do not, nor do they claim to, stop you getting punctures.
However, contrary to your statement "you get a flat and can't ride on anymore unless you repair it" - yes, you can. That is one of the major advantages of Tubliss; you can continue to ride on a totally flat tyre and it will not come off the rim or flop about - it just rides like a normal tyre.
Also, if you want to carry out a repair, most punctures can be fixed in a couple of minutes by simply plugging the hole using a tubeless repair kit: https://youtu.be/vkj4nGnsNTM
Your point about needing to use hard wall tyres with Tubliss is simply nonsense - they give superb results when used with a trials tyre at low (or any) pressure
Not wishing to be rude, but before you slag off something it is usually worthwhile finding out how it is actually meant to function.
As the old adage goes - if all else fails, read the instructions: http://nuetech.com/tubliss
Been using tubliss in the rear tyre of my daughters enduro bike now for nearly a year and it has been great.Only caused a problem on one practice day which turned out to be my fault ,i didnt tighten the rim lock enough and it was moving whilst riding which punctured the inner bladder,so lesson learnt.Much easier to change tyres once you you get used to them would never go back to tubes on rear.
I couldn't ride on a trials tyre with it flat. It stepped out so much so that it wrecked the tyre after 1min of riding it flat and the inner was at correct pressure. I had to swap wheels. I will post a pic of tyre Tomoz and have a look and see if it's able to run on. Tubliss is gimmicky. I liked the low pressure option but the fact that once you get a flat it's game over. Techno moose all the way.
Top racers do use mouses I agree. As Albert says, I am not a top rider, it is also interesting to note, I saw top riders drilling out holes in the new rear mouses to improve the grip because when new apparently there is lack of grip caused by the mouse being too hard.
Tubliss is gimmicky. I liked the low pressure option but the fact that once you get a flat it's game over.
Ah, they are just a gimmick. Sorry, I hadn't realised If that is the case then I concede.
Perhaps you should contact some of the professional testers who have given glowing reviews of Tubliss:
http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/mxa-team-testednuetech-gen-2-0-tubliss-tire-system http://dirtbiketest.com/product-tests/nuetech-tubliss-gen-2-0/ http://tubliss.eu/tag/dirtbike-magazine/ (there are more out there but I can't be bothered finding them all)
and explain to them how they have been conned by a gimmick. Maybe they will run another article along the lines of
'Unknown Trail Rider From Devon Shows Professional Dirt-Bike Reviewers the Error Of Their ways'
Or then again - perhaps they won't
I am not trying to convince you Steve, because you have already made up your mind and, quite frankly, I couldn't care one way or the other what you prefer to use. I'm just trying to put a counter argument to someone who, I feel, is misrepresenting a product, giving personal opinion as though it were fact, and stating factual inaccuracies.
Regards
Colin
-- Edited by cee-b on Wednesday 11th of November 2015 11:31:42 AM
ohhh and the fact you sell them makes you un biased lol. THIS PRODUCT FAILED ME thats all I'm saying buy them or don't i couldn't give a hoot just giving a product test report
Just to balance things up- I like the Tubliss system and in my experience it works well. I put OKO tyre sealant in (the stuff the farmers use). It seals the inner bladder/ tyre seam well and should help with standard punctures. Im Jo average rider- just looking for a capable and convenient solution- so far so good.
(still keep carole Nash recovery number though for the more catastrophic events- engine- wheels -or me)
Steve -
it's a shame you had a bad experience with them but you can carry a small plug kit which costs about £5 and a small pump if worried about riding with a flat - but the point is the rim lock holds the tyre in place so you CAN carry on riding with a flat.....
I've fixed a puncture on a tyre with a plug kit and it takes about 1 minute !
If using something with a stiff sidewall MT43 rear etc then you probably wouldn't notice having a puncture if you run low psi anyway.
I have had a front puncture (metzeler 6-days) on a trip away about half way through the day - mostly lanes / forest & rocky terrain however I quite happily carried on & finished the days riding with the only compromise being going a little slower on any road sections and corners - I run my rear tyre at anything from 4 psi to 10 psi and the front from 6 to 12 depending.
They are very easy to maintain & to change tyres, last longer than mousse's. when changing the tyre you look for the red inner hard shell so you know your not going to pinch the high pressure inner - just so easy. I used to pinch tubes all the bloody time !
Tubliss does not stop you getting a puncture but means you can ride to 95% if you get one.
The extra grip you get running low pressures is great.
An MT43 has a soft sidewall (it's a trials tyre!) it can't safely be ridden on the road with a puncture as it rolls about far too much and would damage either you, your bike or the tyre if you did! If you get a puncture with an MT43 you really have to stop and fix it.
The verdict for tubliss therefore is, on the whole, very positive. However as per pretty much everything in life (including forums) not everything is going to suit everybody. There will always be the one (or more) that has had a bad experience from whatever the product/place/experience has to offer. And thats a good thing -- else if we all liked what we considered the perfect thing, we'd have 1000+ forum members riding 2-stroke KTMs fitted with Tubliss
I think what Steve missed in the first place was a reason he didnt like Tubliss and share his experience. A reply of "CrapCrapCrap - Don't Bother" isnt the most contructive response for providing a person an informed decision on a product - and then causes defensive responses in a less friendly/positive manner.
I have yet to try Tubliss - but they are on my shopping list now (rear first I think) -- based on massive feedback from me mates, this forum and KTM forum.
Think this has been asked before.. Are they road legal? Not talking about the local bobby that stops you for a number plate issue, but if involved in a serious accident the bike gets scrutinised.
Lol. So after all this I still stand by the fact why on earth would you choose these over bib moouse. In my experience they let you down excuse the pun. Trust me they will one day and you will wish you had a moouse.
There is no official recognition of them being road legal, I'm not sure that it's necessary
Informing your insurer is another issue
As a bit of an obsessive bike modder I've read up on the subject a bit, my impression is the reality is nothing would come of it unless it can be demonstrated the tubliss was a factor in an accident. I found no clear answer though
Think this has been asked before.. Are they road legal? Not talking about the local bobby that stops you for a number plate issue, but if involved in a serious accident the bike gets scrutinised.
This is a much debated question, but here is my interpretation.
I believe that any part of a motor vehicle is legal unless there is a regulation or law that it contravenes. i.e. the point is not to prove that it IS legal; it is to argue that it is NOT illegal.
I am not aware of any UK regulation that Tubliss contravenes.
It is often stated they are illegal because they are marked as Not For Highway Use. This is not relevant. It simply means they do not have U.S Dept of Transport clearance for highway use in the USA, it has no meaning in UK law.
The same is said of mousses. Mousses, however, are illegal, but not for that reason; they are illegal because they cause the tyre to contravene Construction and Use Regulations in regard to pneumatic tyres (all of our tyres are designed/classified as being pneumatic) .
pneumatic tyre
a tyre which
(a)
is provided with, or together with the wheel upon which it is
mounted forms, a continuous closed chamber inflated to a pressure
substantially exceeding atmospheric pressure when the tyre is in the
condition in which it is normally used, but is not subjected to any load;
(b)
is capable of being inflated and deflated without removal from the
wheel or vehicle; and
(c)
is such that, when it is deflated and is subjected to a normal load, the
sides of the tyre collapse
As I said, I believe that Tubliss are entirely legal for road use in the UK. However, to prove that they are is another matter, it is rather like proving a negative (can anyone prove that, for instance, their bars or their brake levers, are legal?) - I am quite ready to be corrected by anyone who can provide evidence to the contrary.
an MT43 is a trials tyre for the road - it has a much stiffer sidewall than a 'competition' trials tyre - made for longer life and more general use.
From Pirelli Website:
Reinforced carcass to provide high resistance combined with a long life.
Specific construction capable of reducing deformation during use ensuring the maximum contact area in all road surface conditions.
Try squashing one in your hand compared to the sidewall of say a maxis trialmax or a michelin competition trials and you will see & feel the difference
-- Edited by SK1970 on Friday 13th of November 2015 11:09:06 PM
I believe that any part of a motor vehicle is legal unless there is a regulation or law that it contravenes. i.e. the point is not to prove that it IS legal; it is to argue that it is NOT illegal.
I think you are probably right
also for example trials bikes and some others use spoke sealing strips to make a non tubeless wheel run tubless tyres, not all that different from tubliss really and some of these are street legal from factory.
Also at the end of the day tubliss consists of an inner tube you put in your tyre to keep it full of air
You are "technically" supposed to inform your insurer of any changes you make to your vehicle that make it anything other than totally stock, but that could "technically" just as much apply to non-genuine part valve caps or a different brand of headlight bulb as to tubliss.
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If that is the case then I concede.
