Devon TRF Group Forum

Matt_Sykes · Novice

Punctures!

dave williams · Novice

mousse bolt in valve. blow it up to seat bead on rim. air will seep away or let it out of the valve.

RichT4 · Champion

Or there's the TUbliss system.

Also years ago I remember there was an alternative to the TUbliss product, similar system but I can't remember its name.

Tribey · Expert

RichT4 wrote:
Also years ago I remember there was an alternative to the TUbliss product, similar system but I can't remember its name.

Was it tennis balls?

RichT4 · Champion

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No, I think it was available via Trellesport.

They called it something like the T-lock tubless system.

Maybe this is what it was.

https://www.tlockconcept.com/

This page reviews a few different systems.

https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2019/03/14/tubliss-and-similar-tubeless-cores/

Jerry atterick · Expert

Tubliss. Used for years now.
Most desirable quality, 360° wheel clamp.
Worst bit, need 180 gm weight opposite valves.
Can be ridden flat to get home in the event of a catastrophic slice.
Tested both tyres flat, a bit sketchy upto 5mph, definitely doable in the event.
Modern mouses much better but they go dead after a few months.
Heavy duty tubes are no better than normal, IMHO.
Just much heavier.

CuredMeat · Clubman B

Considering a Tubliss set up costs the same as a Michelin mousse per wheel, my money would be on Tubliss if youre sick of tubes.

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

Did you get thorn or pinch punctures ?

Kwaka Geoff · Expert

Jerry atterick wrote:
Tubliss. Used for years now.
Most desirable quality, 360° wheel clamp.
Worst bit, need 180 gm weight opposite valves.
Can be ridden flat to get home in the event of a catastrophic slice.
Tested both tyres flat, a bit sketchy upto 5mph, definitely doable in the event.
Modern mouses much better but they go dead after a few months.
Heavy duty tubes are no better than normal, IMHO.
Just much heavier.

Cant say I'd agree with your comment about Mousses "going dead" after a couple of months. I've been running the same set of Michelin Mousses in my 450 (front and rear) for years now (like 5!!!) and they're fine, for trail riding (imo). Mousses all the way for me. 100% trouble free riding.

Kwaka Geoff · Expert

CuredMeat wrote:
Considering a Tubliss set up costs the same as a Michelin mousse per wheel, my money would be on Tubliss if youre sick of tubes.

Even though - according to Jerry Atterick - you could ride a totally split tyre home as the TubLISS essentally creates a full circumstance rim lock, thats still likely gunna be a rather lengthy and precarious ride home so Id personally much rather have a mousse as it represents 100% trouble free riding (in my experience of many, many years of using mousses) Each to their own though I guess.

Jerry atterick · Expert

I agree, pretty much.
I've been told modern mousses are much better.
In the day when racing all the time, last year's bike on mousses, new bike on standard tubes.
I was gobsmacked at the difference. That was the point I switched.
Mousses are easier to change.
For those that don't know, Hepsleve pipe grease is perfect mousse lube.
Free or very cheap, depends on your source.
Used for years with no issues.

Jules · Sportsman

Bear in mind both Tubliss and Mousse are officially not road legal. A dummy valve can help. An understanding MOT garage too.

If running mousse take care of sizing, example I found an mt43 hard to seat with a medium mousse. Imperial vs metric sizing ?

Its very much about preference however both are imho better than tubes. This last weekend in Knighton highlighted that.

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

You guys must be mad, I just looked up the cost of running mousses, nearly £500 squid !!!! and how long does a mousse last ???

wlm · Clubman B

500 quid????
100-120 each, so 200-240.
My best source for tyres and mousses is Diki Quance in North Devon.
https://dqtyretech.co.uk/

Also enduro tyres here.
https://endurotyres.com/?s=mousse

You need to lube them so 20quid for a massive tub of lube.
If you do lots of water/rain then they need re-lubing. You can use a syringe injector thingy to do this.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/2430645417073261

I just killed my rear after 2500 miles. Thats 25 days out. 18 months. 110 for new one. That was a mitas, I replaced with a michelin which are supposed to be the longest lasting/best.

The fronts arguably last for bloody ever..
Not a single puncture nor do I need to carry any crap for punctures.

You do need rim lock, especially on rear.

-- Edited by wlm on Tuesday 9th of June 2026 12:06:56 PM

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

You forgot the tyre changer, bead buddies and Levers.

wlm · Clubman B

doug9270 wrote:
You forgot the tyre changer, bead buddies and Levers.

That's true, but don't you need that for tubes, tubeliss or anything else? Its a one off payment.
Otherwise all tyre options are expensive if you are paying kwikfit monkeys..

Plus, if you have decent mates, you can borrow their kit. I am in Exeter if anyone needs to borrow all that. I'll even stand and laugh at you trying to wrestle your mousses in.

wlm · Clubman B

Jules wrote:
Bear in mind both Tubliss and Mousse are officially not road legal. A dummy valve can help. An understanding MOT garage too.

If running mousse take care of sizing, example I found an mt43 hard to seat with a medium mousse. Imperial vs metric sizing ?

Its very much about preference however both are imho better than tubes. This last weekend in Knighton highlighted that.

Dummy valve is great as you can use it to seat the tyre via a compressor. Sometime the mousses doesn't push it out and you have to ride for a bit to get it seated.

Also @jules. Kngihton pics and report??? I have been hitting refresh for a couple of days now.

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

wlm wrote:
doug9270 wrote:
You forgot the tyre changer, bead buddies and Levers.
That's true, but don't you need that for tubes, tubeliss or anything else? Its a one off payment.
Otherwise all tyre options are expensive if you are paying kwikfit monkeys..

Plus, if you have decent mates, you can borrow their kit. I am in Exeter if anyone needs to borrow all that. I'll even stand and laugh at you trying to wrestle your mousses in.

Nope, just a new tube and two small tyre levers and I can change a tube in the field, why would you go to a garage to change a tyre ?

wlm · Clubman B

doug9270 wrote:

Plus, if you have decent mates, you can borrow their kit. I am in Exeter if anyone needs to borrow all that. I'll even stand and laugh at you trying to wrestle your mousses in.
Nope, just a new tube and two small tyre levers and I can change a tube in the field, why would you go to a garage to change a tyre ?

TBh I dunno, I was just trying to work out how it was £500.. biggrin

It is each to their own, I have a bead breaker (49.99) and some bead buddys (£15) and have changed 5 or 6 tyres with meese in the last 2 years since I started laning. And that kit still works so there could be many more changes for a small investment. Seems like good value.
I do like not worrying about punctures, or having to carry a tube, levers, etc.. But I am a lazy lump so that contributes.

-- Edited by wlm on Thursday 11th of June 2026 02:56:40 PM